This is the character of almost every conversation now, bar those with a small number of people who "understand." I speak wearily about current events, while asking myself, "How do I articulate what I think is really going on? Where do I begin? How quickly do I enter into the topic? Will I even bother?"
Same here. I've given up on people. This divide now extends to all topics. Those who backed the lockdowns and took the jab are now on board with all government policy from here on in. Even people who would always have had a bitch and a moan about whatever current topic don't want to discuss anything other than inanities.
I know. I am dreading Christmas, when I will have to spend time with in-laws who went along with it all. As you say, the range of ‘safe’ topics to discuss has grown narrower and narrower. I have literally no idea how I’ll get through it to be honest.
On YouTube there is a good discussion at "GOOD VIBRATIONS PODCAST, VOL. 223: DAVID CHARALAMBOUS - EFFECTIVE WAYS TO REACH PEOPLE". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBZZ_Qnfsqc
To summarize, less is more, don't get emotional, play the long game.
Thank you! I follow Good Vibrations - I love Mark Nevin’s delves into the music business. But I have not listened to that one - I shall seek it out 🙏🙏. James Delingpole is good on this stuff too.
I will be facing the same, family that are fully onboard. I will just smile, remember it's their house, and excuse myself to get a beverage. I feel your pain there. Just remember how you restrained yourself for when they come into your home and spout off, it's time to bring out the specifics .
Peter. He hides his views? Does he want his children and grand children to spit on his grave?> They will do that when they see he said and did nothing.
I've just started telling people that they would not like my opinions, because nobody does anymore. I may. sometimes. add that none of my old friends talk to me and my family do so through gritted teeth.
Women, in particular, seem to find this intriguing. I'm growing older and becoming increasingly invisible, so I'll gladly accept and encourage these rare flashes of interest. Of course, they arise from playing hard to get - something that men learn, very early in life, is a clever ruse used by women to increase their appeal yet strangely almost all of us fail to ever employ it ourselves.
Let's look people in the eye and just say say "no" while smiling warmly and sympathetically.
Yes indeed see all the resignment and fair resentment below. Being a savage that I reply to antagonistic Vaxxers by writhng > "Must be time foe anither bioster, sit down and watch TV, never mind it will allgo away soon " On the question of the defribrillators > They will be useless, the underlying pathological destruction of the Myocardium is irreversible > This is designer Genocide > we are in World war 3, the silent war of created mass suicide
I recently did a lengthy chat on English identity with Scott Mannion, rather than spam with a whole new post just after this article went up I'll pin it here.
I really enjoyed this interview, you should make separate posts in future, don’t worry about spamming your subscribers we are always happy to hear from you!
It's a substantial interview, touching on issues you haven't spent much time on before. I definitely think you should make a specific post directing people to it. Scott is a bit too slick for my taste and it came as little surprise that while the Mannions are Irish they are all over Hollywood and the media like bad suits. If I had to describe him in one word, it would be Rubinesque. To be fair though, I'm just an old curmudgeon who would always rather listen to you speaking with weathered-looking men who fish while eating a scotch egg. Scott is from an aspirational class of people I simply don't trust.
Your interaction with Kelly sums up the interactions many of us will have had with ‘normies’ this past year. As your quote from Kipling says ‘never the twain shall meet’. They simply cannot, or will not, leave the warm bath of believing the state is beneficent. The cold reality that the government has, in fact, scammed them into taking a wretched substance that is neither safe nor effective, is simply too much to bear. Those who forced this poison on their little children will have no absolution.
She represents the St. John’s Ambulance - they, like every other health affiliated group - would have enforced the jab mandates, even on volunteers. I tried to volunteer for various groups here, and was rejected as I’m not jabbed. I don’t think I believe her when she told Morgoth she wasn’t jabbed - that is a classic teenage defence response to say ‘I’m not either’....
I doubt she was being truthful, as well. In general, women of all ages don't like direct contradiction. It's why, when you tell a woman that you never use FaceBook, she'll always reply that she doesn't really either except to 'keep up with family and friends'. She's not likely to give a more honest answer, such as "Really? What's the matter with you? The site is my entire life and everybody I know uses it just as much as me. What have you got to hide?"
I had the same feeling in 2006 when they introduced the smoking ban in pubs; why would the government care about my health when my hometown, Glasgow, is the testing ground for any new confectinery before it's released for general consumption across the UK? I still haven't come to a satisfactory conclusion. The best I can do is:
1. The introduction of TV's in every pub.
2. Cheaper alcohol available in your local supermarket.
3. A limitless supply of mind-numbing shows on TV and subscription services.
4. Smoking ban.
Conclusion: They want to stop us talking to each other, get pissed at home and zombify yourself in front of the TV, alone.
Exactly. I have family who live in Govan, an area of Glasgow with some of the worst health stats in Europe. The regime never cared about those people before, so why now?
It's all about timing. Out of hospital cardiac arrest survival rates used to be appalling. When these AED's were put in Underground stations and other locations in London, the survival rate went up significantly. If someone is in a shockable rhythm, all the cardiac massage in the World is not going to revert you back to sinus rhythm, you need that defib. Where I am out in the Dengies of Essex, it takes an ambulance 45 minutes on blue lights to navigate the winding B roads to the nearest emergency department. Given the reality there are double figures of ambulances queuing outside most A&E's around the clock, and they will be for the foreseeable future, putting an AED in a remote village is a very good idea.
The fact a suspect compound, that causes endothelial damage and thromboembolic events, has been served up to 80% of adults in England is made to appear neither here nor there.
Excellent piece. We´ve all seen these equally suspicious articles of late, warning of heart attacks as a result of some (until now) mostly harmless activity. That makes it hard to think of this defibrillator campaign as being a coincidence. I am wondering not what the people on the top are thinking (nor the footsoldiers ringing doorbells), but the middle officers, in a manner of speaking. What goes on in the head of, say, a newspaper editor or editor-in-chief who is told to find someone to write an article on why making your bed can cause heart attacks? What does he think why he is made to publish something like that?
There’s a great podcast by James Delingpole (Morgoth himself has been a guest) in which James talks with Sally Beck, a long-standing health journalist. It’s from early this year. She talks about how newspapers like The Daily Mail rejected every article she put to them that was in any way critical of ‘the pandemic’, the vaccines etc. She also talks at length about how the newspapers were used by the regime to discredit and destroy Dr Andrew Wakefield. You might recall, Wakefield was the paediatrician who established the link between the MMR vaccine and autism. He published a paper in The Lancet (which was never refuted, just withdrawn). He was subsequently demonised, struck off the GMC register to practice and had to leave the country. The podcast is a revelation on how the press and media deal with medical issues. It should still be available on Apple, Spotify or any of the podcast outlets.
I’ve had this line from Spengler’s Man and Technics on my mind for days. Feels appropriate to stick here.
“With the growth of the towns, technics became bourgeois. The successor of
those Gothic monks was the cultured lay inventor, the expert priest of the machine.
Finally, with the coming of rationalism, the belief in technics almost becomes a materialistic religion. Technics is eternal and immortal like God the Father, it delivers
mankind like God the Son, and it illumines us like God the Holy Ghost.”
I’m allotting a big chunk of next year to give Decline my full attention. Coming from the cold analytics of econ, his sentiment that the hand is useless without something to wield has struck me as undeniable.
So much of Decline hit me like a thunderbolt. Originally I just watched John David Ebert's massive series explaining it, then got the book.
When Spengler gets into the folly of categories in the modern age being worse than useless. Beethoven will be placed in the catergory ''Music'' with Jazz, for example. But really he belongs with Rembrandt because he's the same world-feeling in audio form.
You see here where Spengler's relativism comes in.
"I’ve long held the view that a sound metric for measuring the safety of a society is the degree to which its young females can walk around in relative safety, unmolested and preyed upon. "
By the same token, a society that let's young females walk around freely while knowing that there are dangerous men out there who mean them harm, simply does not value them. Everybody would agree that gold is a valued commodity. It would be fine for those that own some to leave their stash lying around just about anywhere, if they knew that all the people could be trusted.
But nobody feels that everybody can be trusted, which is why you won't see any gold lying around anywhere. Even something that has false value, such as fiat currency, will remain well-guarded.
An incredible job has been done on us, regarding how we view value. Most parents would not leave a fiver in change on their doorstep for ten minutes, but will let their teenage daughter and only child wander the streets drunk at night while falling out of a dress that barely qualifies as a bikini.
Regarding conversational tactics, I'm at the point where I just tell anyone who'll listen that I'm a mad conspiracy theorist while flashing them a winning smile. I've always been very good at building instant rapport with most people, and as one of your other commenters mentioned I'm most often met with agreement or at least interest. Especially from women. It seems that young women especially are captivated by a man who is non-compliant and isn't afraid to state his unpopular opinion.
Of course, this technique won't work if you're looking deranged and shouting about conspiracies. I suppose I just act affable, charming and baffled as to why anyone would believe in *insert current accepted narrative thread*. Always remember to smile when delivering hard truths.
I'm still not clear on why this is a binary decision, Morgoth. I don't see why it's pieces of both, or certainly, the decision makers encompass may each encompass one or the other outcome. I always lean towards "cover your ass" as the default of all big government decisions. It's certain that the top people saw EVERY one of the possibilities.
This is the character of almost every conversation now, bar those with a small number of people who "understand." I speak wearily about current events, while asking myself, "How do I articulate what I think is really going on? Where do I begin? How quickly do I enter into the topic? Will I even bother?"
Increasingly I don't bother.
I know - me neither. It is utterly dispiriting. I have never felt as despondent as I have these past few months...
Same here. I've given up on people. This divide now extends to all topics. Those who backed the lockdowns and took the jab are now on board with all government policy from here on in. Even people who would always have had a bitch and a moan about whatever current topic don't want to discuss anything other than inanities.
I know. I am dreading Christmas, when I will have to spend time with in-laws who went along with it all. As you say, the range of ‘safe’ topics to discuss has grown narrower and narrower. I have literally no idea how I’ll get through it to be honest.
On YouTube there is a good discussion at "GOOD VIBRATIONS PODCAST, VOL. 223: DAVID CHARALAMBOUS - EFFECTIVE WAYS TO REACH PEOPLE". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBZZ_Qnfsqc
To summarize, less is more, don't get emotional, play the long game.
Thank you! I follow Good Vibrations - I love Mark Nevin’s delves into the music business. But I have not listened to that one - I shall seek it out 🙏🙏. James Delingpole is good on this stuff too.
Mark Devlin is pretty good. An even less well known guy who is putting out good stuff is Nigel Watson, he's also a fan of Mark Devlin himself.
It's been removed for "Hate Speech".
I will be facing the same, family that are fully onboard. I will just smile, remember it's their house, and excuse myself to get a beverage. I feel your pain there. Just remember how you restrained yourself for when they come into your home and spout off, it's time to bring out the specifics .
Smiling is important, reminding people that masks hide the smiling faces of children doubly so.
Yesterday a good friend of mine said that he spends an increasing amount of effort trying to hide how unorthodox his views are.
Peter. He hides his views? Does he want his children and grand children to spit on his grave?> They will do that when they see he said and did nothing.
I've just started telling people that they would not like my opinions, because nobody does anymore. I may. sometimes. add that none of my old friends talk to me and my family do so through gritted teeth.
Women, in particular, seem to find this intriguing. I'm growing older and becoming increasingly invisible, so I'll gladly accept and encourage these rare flashes of interest. Of course, they arise from playing hard to get - something that men learn, very early in life, is a clever ruse used by women to increase their appeal yet strangely almost all of us fail to ever employ it ourselves.
Let's look people in the eye and just say say "no" while smiling warmly and sympathetically.
Yes indeed see all the resignment and fair resentment below. Being a savage that I reply to antagonistic Vaxxers by writhng > "Must be time foe anither bioster, sit down and watch TV, never mind it will allgo away soon " On the question of the defribrillators > They will be useless, the underlying pathological destruction of the Myocardium is irreversible > This is designer Genocide > we are in World war 3, the silent war of created mass suicide
I recently did a lengthy chat on English identity with Scott Mannion, rather than spam with a whole new post just after this article went up I'll pin it here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKIMbHXzviI
English identity:
Achieving great things despite taking up half of a small island and being too modest to take the rightful credit.
I really enjoyed this interview, you should make separate posts in future, don’t worry about spamming your subscribers we are always happy to hear from you!
It's a substantial interview, touching on issues you haven't spent much time on before. I definitely think you should make a specific post directing people to it. Scott is a bit too slick for my taste and it came as little surprise that while the Mannions are Irish they are all over Hollywood and the media like bad suits. If I had to describe him in one word, it would be Rubinesque. To be fair though, I'm just an old curmudgeon who would always rather listen to you speaking with weathered-looking men who fish while eating a scotch egg. Scott is from an aspirational class of people I simply don't trust.
He talked about the left-side, right-side brain, for me, that's a materialic ideology. It precludes the idea of the soul.
Removed for "Hate Speech".
I found it earlier, and have it on now in the background while coming here to read up on your stack. All good so far.
Your interaction with Kelly sums up the interactions many of us will have had with ‘normies’ this past year. As your quote from Kipling says ‘never the twain shall meet’. They simply cannot, or will not, leave the warm bath of believing the state is beneficent. The cold reality that the government has, in fact, scammed them into taking a wretched substance that is neither safe nor effective, is simply too much to bear. Those who forced this poison on their little children will have no absolution.
Is Kelly really a normie if she didn't get the vaccine?
She represents the St. John’s Ambulance - they, like every other health affiliated group - would have enforced the jab mandates, even on volunteers. I tried to volunteer for various groups here, and was rejected as I’m not jabbed. I don’t think I believe her when she told Morgoth she wasn’t jabbed - that is a classic teenage defence response to say ‘I’m not either’....
I speak as the mother of teenagers lol
I doubt she was being truthful, as well. In general, women of all ages don't like direct contradiction. It's why, when you tell a woman that you never use FaceBook, she'll always reply that she doesn't really either except to 'keep up with family and friends'. She's not likely to give a more honest answer, such as "Really? What's the matter with you? The site is my entire life and everybody I know uses it just as much as me. What have you got to hide?"
True, I guess it depends on how she said it
I had the same feeling in 2006 when they introduced the smoking ban in pubs; why would the government care about my health when my hometown, Glasgow, is the testing ground for any new confectinery before it's released for general consumption across the UK? I still haven't come to a satisfactory conclusion. The best I can do is:
1. The introduction of TV's in every pub.
2. Cheaper alcohol available in your local supermarket.
3. A limitless supply of mind-numbing shows on TV and subscription services.
4. Smoking ban.
Conclusion: They want to stop us talking to each other, get pissed at home and zombify yourself in front of the TV, alone.
Exactly. I have family who live in Govan, an area of Glasgow with some of the worst health stats in Europe. The regime never cared about those people before, so why now?
Exactly. Chocolate and Irn-bru is the staple diet!
It's all about timing. Out of hospital cardiac arrest survival rates used to be appalling. When these AED's were put in Underground stations and other locations in London, the survival rate went up significantly. If someone is in a shockable rhythm, all the cardiac massage in the World is not going to revert you back to sinus rhythm, you need that defib. Where I am out in the Dengies of Essex, it takes an ambulance 45 minutes on blue lights to navigate the winding B roads to the nearest emergency department. Given the reality there are double figures of ambulances queuing outside most A&E's around the clock, and they will be for the foreseeable future, putting an AED in a remote village is a very good idea.
The fact a suspect compound, that causes endothelial damage and thromboembolic events, has been served up to 80% of adults in England is made to appear neither here nor there.
Excellent piece. We´ve all seen these equally suspicious articles of late, warning of heart attacks as a result of some (until now) mostly harmless activity. That makes it hard to think of this defibrillator campaign as being a coincidence. I am wondering not what the people on the top are thinking (nor the footsoldiers ringing doorbells), but the middle officers, in a manner of speaking. What goes on in the head of, say, a newspaper editor or editor-in-chief who is told to find someone to write an article on why making your bed can cause heart attacks? What does he think why he is made to publish something like that?
There’s a great podcast by James Delingpole (Morgoth himself has been a guest) in which James talks with Sally Beck, a long-standing health journalist. It’s from early this year. She talks about how newspapers like The Daily Mail rejected every article she put to them that was in any way critical of ‘the pandemic’, the vaccines etc. She also talks at length about how the newspapers were used by the regime to discredit and destroy Dr Andrew Wakefield. You might recall, Wakefield was the paediatrician who established the link between the MMR vaccine and autism. He published a paper in The Lancet (which was never refuted, just withdrawn). He was subsequently demonised, struck off the GMC register to practice and had to leave the country. The podcast is a revelation on how the press and media deal with medical issues. It should still be available on Apple, Spotify or any of the podcast outlets.
I’ve had this line from Spengler’s Man and Technics on my mind for days. Feels appropriate to stick here.
“With the growth of the towns, technics became bourgeois. The successor of
those Gothic monks was the cultured lay inventor, the expert priest of the machine.
Finally, with the coming of rationalism, the belief in technics almost becomes a materialistic religion. Technics is eternal and immortal like God the Father, it delivers
mankind like God the Son, and it illumines us like God the Holy Ghost.”
I found the stuff about the hand being a tool quite a slog in that, but as usual with Spengler you get rewarded for persevering.
The painful first chapter in Decline makes way for the gold in the second, where you hit the ground on all things Faustian.
I’m allotting a big chunk of next year to give Decline my full attention. Coming from the cold analytics of econ, his sentiment that the hand is useless without something to wield has struck me as undeniable.
So much of Decline hit me like a thunderbolt. Originally I just watched John David Ebert's massive series explaining it, then got the book.
When Spengler gets into the folly of categories in the modern age being worse than useless. Beethoven will be placed in the catergory ''Music'' with Jazz, for example. But really he belongs with Rembrandt because he's the same world-feeling in audio form.
You see here where Spengler's relativism comes in.
I've seen reports from Australia pushing for a defibrillator in every home.... I wonder why.
'Not knowing' .....this is the very essence of British life in the 2020s . Another excellent, honest and much needed article, Morgoth.
To paraphrase Charlie Chaplin's telegram to Captain Blackadder in the fourth series: Please don't ever. Stop.
Cheers!
"I’ve long held the view that a sound metric for measuring the safety of a society is the degree to which its young females can walk around in relative safety, unmolested and preyed upon. "
By the same token, a society that let's young females walk around freely while knowing that there are dangerous men out there who mean them harm, simply does not value them. Everybody would agree that gold is a valued commodity. It would be fine for those that own some to leave their stash lying around just about anywhere, if they knew that all the people could be trusted.
But nobody feels that everybody can be trusted, which is why you won't see any gold lying around anywhere. Even something that has false value, such as fiat currency, will remain well-guarded.
An incredible job has been done on us, regarding how we view value. Most parents would not leave a fiver in change on their doorstep for ten minutes, but will let their teenage daughter and only child wander the streets drunk at night while falling out of a dress that barely qualifies as a bikini.
Regarding conversational tactics, I'm at the point where I just tell anyone who'll listen that I'm a mad conspiracy theorist while flashing them a winning smile. I've always been very good at building instant rapport with most people, and as one of your other commenters mentioned I'm most often met with agreement or at least interest. Especially from women. It seems that young women especially are captivated by a man who is non-compliant and isn't afraid to state his unpopular opinion.
Of course, this technique won't work if you're looking deranged and shouting about conspiracies. I suppose I just act affable, charming and baffled as to why anyone would believe in *insert current accepted narrative thread*. Always remember to smile when delivering hard truths.
I'm still not clear on why this is a binary decision, Morgoth. I don't see why it's pieces of both, or certainly, the decision makers encompass may each encompass one or the other outcome. I always lean towards "cover your ass" as the default of all big government decisions. It's certain that the top people saw EVERY one of the possibilities.
Well, the article is entirely subjective. As if from me in the real world. I got into more objectively with Andy in the recent podcast.
That the girl was not injected with that shit gives me some hope.