Yes, it’s all just a little bit convenient - Douglas Murray leading the charge with the lads from Millwall and West Ham, defending Britain’s honour. Except he isn’t defending Britain’s honour. He’s weaponising Armistice Day to defend Israel. The whole situation is depressing beyond words. The last time a protest in London really changed anything was the poll tax riot of 1990, which lead to the eventual resignation of Margaret Thatcher and the withdrawal of the hated housing tax. The state was given a real hiding by the protestors. But the British public and the police were both very different creatures back then. I’ve gone to protests and I would never tell anyone not to do it, but in this case I’d make an exception. It won’t be Douglas Murray being arrested....
This is all true, however antisemitism is considered less acceptable that anti-white racism, even in our home country. It's the best we've got to try and make normies aware of the serious rot that is at the heart of our home.
The biggest problem the World is facing is the 'antisemitism' weapon. Israelis are not Semitic.. how can a Russian Bolshevik Khazar named Zeeve Jabotinsky, be a Semite, founder of the Likud Party, his secretary was Netanyahu's father.
Ytzhak Shamir travelled to Iraq in 1950, to bomb Arab Jews Synagogues so they flee to Israel. To say he's a snake is antisemitism? No logic
The only Semitic Jews are still in Persia (Iran), they have Synagogues, Kosher butchers, their own hospitals.
'The Greek historian Herodotus: The idealized biography by Xenophon is a work for the edification of the Greeks concerning the ideal ruler, rather than a historical treatise. It does, however, indicate the high esteem in which Cyrus was held, not only by his own people, the Persians, but by the Greeks and others. Herodotus says that the Persians called Cyrus their father, while later Achaemenian rulers were not so well regarded.'
Semitic Jews were in Mesopotamia, Syria-Palestine.
'Al-Sham or, Shem', Greek later named Damascus the oldest city in the World, the city of Noah's Desert.
I too am very cynical of this protest and its aims. Consider also the posters of dead Israeli children being ripped from walls and billboards. It seems there is always someone nearby with a phone taking video of Palestinian protesters/ supporters doing just that, as if these posters have been placed there to provoke this reaction. You may notice that these posters seem to be the same layout for each individual depicted and professionally printed en masse.
Exactly. There has been an incident with the posters being ripped in the suburb of Melbourne I live in, and all across this city. And there is always someone on hand to film it. How convenient, yet again.
I live in Montreal Canada also had these posters on the master's mailbox, in my garden, as I was watching in disbelieve, two Jewish gentlemen looked at me, one said 'this is good' I said why? He responded you don't believe in the Holocaust?
I said that was in 1900. (NYT 6Million figure dates from 1898 to 1945) then shut my mouth. I guess they saw a cow.
So typical that they automatically go to the extreme - ‘so you don’t believe in the Holocaust?’, when you even express the tiniest doubt or mistrust of what is going on, and look to what your own eyes see instead.
Some English lads from rival firms put their tribal differences to one side, followed a guy that they trust, and went to a sacred place to pay their respects to their fallen. The police said 'you are not welcome here' and with the minimum of fuss they said 'no thank you officer' and gifted their minute with grace and then left.
The left snarled "Nazis". The right snarled "Zionists".
I too have felt my opinion nudged this week. First of course righteous anger, then extreme suspicion when after Elon and Sunak meet at an AI conference a few days ago, "Tommy and Katy" suddenly re-emerge on "X". But what threw me over the edge was watching Douglas Murray last night being interviewed by the Triggernometry pair. It was laid on so thick, it was clearly designed to be more than just a nudge. I dare you to watch it! Here was a man who said nothing about the COVID totalitarianism, but defended the sanctity of the far away land of Israel and it's genetically unrelated people as if his life depended on it. Raping and blowing up our kids - crickets. Marching against an indiscriminate nigh-on genocide with no end in sight - "throw them all out" was his response!
I did watch it. Essentially his routine is to do ominous warnings, that at some point there will be a real backlash or that logically de-colonisation rhetoric will lead to native Brits reclaiming their country. But all of this is cast as something dark and potentially evil. It's a ''be careful, you don't know where this will lead'' style of dialectic which grinds on me.
Indeed. The "do you REALLY want to go down the natives and settlers argument in this country too" bit was so cringe, knowing the reality we live under. He's just the part of the system that maintains the valve on the pressure cooker that needs to be periodically turned as the brazen antics of Islam increases as the population are simultaneously further nudged into accepting their demographic demise. It's sickening.
I have noticed this too from mainstream Right people. They corral the outrage for unpopular policies into manageable channels. Do you really want the plebs taking back Britain etc? The seed being planted is this must be unthinkable. Tucker Carlson does this too, even to the point of explicitly stating any kind of European ethnostate is beyond consideration and even worse than no borders. It is pathetic when you see how blatant it is.
I am not surprised to see genuine concerns redirected to serve their own aims. That is sophisticated in its own way. Any serious discussion of these issues, including the Israel-Gaza situation itself, is basically impossible.
At the very end of one of your video essays during the darkest times of Covid, you closed with the statement (according to my recollection) "Remember that you are on the side of truth, goodness and beauty", which I think was very powerful in that context. I firmly believe that your unshakeable moral compass is one of the most important reasons that has people listening to you. I think it´s very important that you - and all of us - do not compromise in that regard. Let our opponents connive with "utilitarian" and "Macchiavellian" schemes all they want. It is not our way. Rorschach was right.
It's all so covenient timing isn't it? Just produce another nexus of controlled 2 minute rage and manipulate like a puppet to make the meat puppets dance to the tune of their masters. Douglas Murray, TR, KH, the whole lot of them, utter shitesters
I am trying not to think too hard about anything political anymore, it all seems like a psy op. Your version of events is very plausible, and what you more than hint at is basically a theological question- do we even have free will? Given that manipulation techniques are so advanced, and that few people have your powers of discernment, even with which you may be missing some nudges,(shoves?) it seems so hopeless. I keep remembering that half the people are below average.
I don't think the situation is hopeless, although I do share your despair at times. The antidote to it all is reality. Their plans are ultimately unworkable. They succeed at manipulation, but not at managing the real world.
As we are learning much of the Covid response was a shambles. Total disaster. And that is when they had full-spectrum control of the media, laws to enforce their ideas and mass compliance. For most of their plans they have none of these. What prevents change is people unable to understand the consequences until they are personally affected. But when that does happen, as with ULEZ in London, people wake up quickly.
The one useful thing about the Palestine demonstrations is their visibility. There are a lot of people on TV waving foreign flags who don't look English and I suspect that alone has rattled people.
I do agree that the Covid disaster has resulted in a much more suspicious public. Like the story of the boy who cried wolf, many of us have learned to ignore the MSM and the WHO, and “experts” in general. We are more likely to notice what the WEF are getting up to.
You are right that it is a frightening sight, to see these huge mobs of demonstrators openly calling for genocide, and that is what it is. From the River to the Sea is not really a flexible term. Given that the situation is extremely complex, why are so many young white people with no real knowledge of the issues willing to stand with them and even take openly anti semitic stances?
That is a consequence of the victim-oppressor mentality they are immersed in. I have no doubt if you picked a random young white person at the rallies you could predict most of their views, from climate change to feminism and their hatred of the patriarchy.
It is easy to slot Israel and Palestine into that preexisting template. Wealthy western Israel and oppressed Palestine. There is enough evidence to support this, with dead kids and bombed schools to back it up.
As you say these situations are complex, and go back a long time. They have been fighting in the Holy Land for two thousand years. It is also evident there is no easy solution and I think the two-state solution is a non-starter for either side.
As for their ease with genocide, this is not much different from all those nice people during Covid happy to fire unvaxxed workers and even put them in camps. When your "convictions" are shotgunned into your head with the purpose of joining some grievance group to serve emotional needs, rather than some quest for understanding, it is all too easy to become a concentration camp guard.
Muh oppressed minorities.. is why they are getting behind it.. this time Jews can't deflect.. they pretended they were white and now it's stuck to them and they can't shake it off
I've been waiting for your take on this, Morgoth. I wasn't disappointed. As you remarked in a previous video, living in the UK is like living in a 360 degree, 24/7 propaganda broadcast.
I feel that Sunday will be an important day, one way or the other. Don't ask me what I envisage, I just don't know. I just feel it in my bones.
I think it will be a gamechanger. We may see some explicit criticism of Islam. But I fear we will actually see legislation aimed at curbing "extremism," which of course means dissenting voices on the right. How easily people are stirred up to act against their own interests.
One is not going to be able to do anything about the goat herders, there are well over 4 million of them here. So going down there to protect a statue or the sanctity of remembrance day seems to be pissing in the wind. This situation is being escalated for zionist interests. Steer well clear, you won't get nicked or clocked, then if the shit hits the fan, one can legitimately say I don't want anything to do with either side., my people are my interest. It's not cucking, we have had our faces pissed over by worse in the past. It's pragmatism. and common sense.
The stage is set for however containment on this new current thing is intended to play out according to the extensively gathered behavioural data. You're not cynical Morgoth, just realistic.
The only thing more breathtaking than the transparency of Tommy suddenly reappearing on Twitter to lead people in to a "far right" trap for the media to make an example of - again - is that it's plainly obvious that many will go along with it. It's just so tiresome.
I don't know how we fix any of this, obviously. But what's also obvious is that this isn't the way to do it.
Let's not forget that, where dear old Douglas M. is concerned, his support of Israel is directly linked to his homosexuality and his related fear of burgeoning Muslim influence in the west. I'll bet you a pound to a pomegranate that if Israel were as expressly anti-gay as the Muslim world, Douglas would not be quite so unconditionally pro-Israel.... He'd suddenly find 'wrong on both sides...' and recommend a comfortable position on the fence. But in reality, didn't we all lose faith in Douglas during Covid? - And have that loss of faith compounded by seeing him fragrantly mincing around in a flak jacket condemning Putler at a safe distance from the front line in Ukraine? Sadly, success, has gone to his head (and other places no doubt).
I've enjoyed some of his writing and his takes in the past, and he has definitely attempted to criticize some of the cultural changes in the West, which few have attempted. So credit where it is due.
In recent interviews I have detected a more performative approach. Almost rehearsed, even a little dramatic. Absolutely one-sided too. There is no nuance at all.
Agree. But let's not forget he is also the face of acceptable rage for the UK Tory Boy and is making a comfortable living from media appearances and book sales expressing his "righteous" anger.
I think it's worth pointing out that whilst his background is not as clear as many would like he has been saying things that were unimaginable in the 00s. Until 2005 anyone being critical of Islamic immigration was considered a fringe loon, now the kind of points he raises are tacitly accepted by many.
Very fair point, happy to acknowledge Murray's vital contribution heretofore; but having rightly basked in the reflected glory of his earlier books he's now taken too long a sabbatical from the frontline issues of the day... indeed, is now to be found very much in the establishment trenches.... A great shame, albeit not wholly unpredictable: when they want to win you over they give you fame and millions of dollars - and that all too often proves impossible to refuse. ...
I’m genuinely worried about what happens this weekend. Both sides are being operated like glove puppets and neither can see it despite it being blatantly obvious to anyone with half a brain.
Meanwhile those of us who have half a brain have to sit back and watch what should be an important day being turned into an insulting farce, and trying to do anything about that just means taking part in the puppet show. What a time to be alive!
Expect also to see "swastikas" being zoomed in on being held by brown 🟤 mi6 deep state actors to bouy the crowd along. it's the lefts turn to be notzees now.. but what we know is immigration will only increase not cease, that they are itching to install overt martial law (see Tobias Elwoods latest mutterings) and then they can end all protests .. also we have the 2 or 3 million strong deployment of fighting age middle East and North Africans as a make shift "peace keeping force " ready to go in the event they need to "shut it down " again..
Propaganda works, sadly. The only good defense against it is to develop critical thinking skills. But that is not easy, and not desired by the State, so it is rarely taught.
I note your comment on "Israel’s highly questionable ‘‘war’’ in Gaza". I wonder if you might expound on that? I am no friend to Hamas, to put it very mildly, so I found it troubling. But up to you, of course.
Yes, it’s all just a little bit convenient - Douglas Murray leading the charge with the lads from Millwall and West Ham, defending Britain’s honour. Except he isn’t defending Britain’s honour. He’s weaponising Armistice Day to defend Israel. The whole situation is depressing beyond words. The last time a protest in London really changed anything was the poll tax riot of 1990, which lead to the eventual resignation of Margaret Thatcher and the withdrawal of the hated housing tax. The state was given a real hiding by the protestors. But the British public and the police were both very different creatures back then. I’ve gone to protests and I would never tell anyone not to do it, but in this case I’d make an exception. It won’t be Douglas Murray being arrested....
This is all true, however antisemitism is considered less acceptable that anti-white racism, even in our home country. It's the best we've got to try and make normies aware of the serious rot that is at the heart of our home.
Please do
The biggest problem the World is facing is the 'antisemitism' weapon. Israelis are not Semitic.. how can a Russian Bolshevik Khazar named Zeeve Jabotinsky, be a Semite, founder of the Likud Party, his secretary was Netanyahu's father.
Ytzhak Shamir travelled to Iraq in 1950, to bomb Arab Jews Synagogues so they flee to Israel. To say he's a snake is antisemitism? No logic
The only Semitic Jews are still in Persia (Iran), they have Synagogues, Kosher butchers, their own hospitals.
'The Greek historian Herodotus: The idealized biography by Xenophon is a work for the edification of the Greeks concerning the ideal ruler, rather than a historical treatise. It does, however, indicate the high esteem in which Cyrus was held, not only by his own people, the Persians, but by the Greeks and others. Herodotus says that the Persians called Cyrus their father, while later Achaemenian rulers were not so well regarded.'
Semitic Jews were in Mesopotamia, Syria-Palestine.
'Al-Sham or, Shem', Greek later named Damascus the oldest city in the World, the city of Noah's Desert.
I too am very cynical of this protest and its aims. Consider also the posters of dead Israeli children being ripped from walls and billboards. It seems there is always someone nearby with a phone taking video of Palestinian protesters/ supporters doing just that, as if these posters have been placed there to provoke this reaction. You may notice that these posters seem to be the same layout for each individual depicted and professionally printed en masse.
Exactly. There has been an incident with the posters being ripped in the suburb of Melbourne I live in, and all across this city. And there is always someone on hand to film it. How convenient, yet again.
I live in Montreal Canada also had these posters on the master's mailbox, in my garden, as I was watching in disbelieve, two Jewish gentlemen looked at me, one said 'this is good' I said why? He responded you don't believe in the Holocaust?
I said that was in 1900. (NYT 6Million figure dates from 1898 to 1945) then shut my mouth. I guess they saw a cow.
So typical that they automatically go to the extreme - ‘so you don’t believe in the Holocaust?’, when you even express the tiniest doubt or mistrust of what is going on, and look to what your own eyes see instead.
Just like all those ready printed Socialist Workers banners
Some English lads from rival firms put their tribal differences to one side, followed a guy that they trust, and went to a sacred place to pay their respects to their fallen. The police said 'you are not welcome here' and with the minimum of fuss they said 'no thank you officer' and gifted their minute with grace and then left.
The left snarled "Nazis". The right snarled "Zionists".
Who got jewed here exactly?
I too have felt my opinion nudged this week. First of course righteous anger, then extreme suspicion when after Elon and Sunak meet at an AI conference a few days ago, "Tommy and Katy" suddenly re-emerge on "X". But what threw me over the edge was watching Douglas Murray last night being interviewed by the Triggernometry pair. It was laid on so thick, it was clearly designed to be more than just a nudge. I dare you to watch it! Here was a man who said nothing about the COVID totalitarianism, but defended the sanctity of the far away land of Israel and it's genetically unrelated people as if his life depended on it. Raping and blowing up our kids - crickets. Marching against an indiscriminate nigh-on genocide with no end in sight - "throw them all out" was his response!
I did watch it. Essentially his routine is to do ominous warnings, that at some point there will be a real backlash or that logically de-colonisation rhetoric will lead to native Brits reclaiming their country. But all of this is cast as something dark and potentially evil. It's a ''be careful, you don't know where this will lead'' style of dialectic which grinds on me.
Why not just address the proposals directly.
Indeed. The "do you REALLY want to go down the natives and settlers argument in this country too" bit was so cringe, knowing the reality we live under. He's just the part of the system that maintains the valve on the pressure cooker that needs to be periodically turned as the brazen antics of Islam increases as the population are simultaneously further nudged into accepting their demographic demise. It's sickening.
I have noticed this too from mainstream Right people. They corral the outrage for unpopular policies into manageable channels. Do you really want the plebs taking back Britain etc? The seed being planted is this must be unthinkable. Tucker Carlson does this too, even to the point of explicitly stating any kind of European ethnostate is beyond consideration and even worse than no borders. It is pathetic when you see how blatant it is.
I am not surprised to see genuine concerns redirected to serve their own aims. That is sophisticated in its own way. Any serious discussion of these issues, including the Israel-Gaza situation itself, is basically impossible.
At the very end of one of your video essays during the darkest times of Covid, you closed with the statement (according to my recollection) "Remember that you are on the side of truth, goodness and beauty", which I think was very powerful in that context. I firmly believe that your unshakeable moral compass is one of the most important reasons that has people listening to you. I think it´s very important that you - and all of us - do not compromise in that regard. Let our opponents connive with "utilitarian" and "Macchiavellian" schemes all they want. It is not our way. Rorschach was right.
It's all so covenient timing isn't it? Just produce another nexus of controlled 2 minute rage and manipulate like a puppet to make the meat puppets dance to the tune of their masters. Douglas Murray, TR, KH, the whole lot of them, utter shitesters
I am trying not to think too hard about anything political anymore, it all seems like a psy op. Your version of events is very plausible, and what you more than hint at is basically a theological question- do we even have free will? Given that manipulation techniques are so advanced, and that few people have your powers of discernment, even with which you may be missing some nudges,(shoves?) it seems so hopeless. I keep remembering that half the people are below average.
I don't think the situation is hopeless, although I do share your despair at times. The antidote to it all is reality. Their plans are ultimately unworkable. They succeed at manipulation, but not at managing the real world.
As we are learning much of the Covid response was a shambles. Total disaster. And that is when they had full-spectrum control of the media, laws to enforce their ideas and mass compliance. For most of their plans they have none of these. What prevents change is people unable to understand the consequences until they are personally affected. But when that does happen, as with ULEZ in London, people wake up quickly.
The one useful thing about the Palestine demonstrations is their visibility. There are a lot of people on TV waving foreign flags who don't look English and I suspect that alone has rattled people.
I do agree that the Covid disaster has resulted in a much more suspicious public. Like the story of the boy who cried wolf, many of us have learned to ignore the MSM and the WHO, and “experts” in general. We are more likely to notice what the WEF are getting up to.
You are right that it is a frightening sight, to see these huge mobs of demonstrators openly calling for genocide, and that is what it is. From the River to the Sea is not really a flexible term. Given that the situation is extremely complex, why are so many young white people with no real knowledge of the issues willing to stand with them and even take openly anti semitic stances?
That is a consequence of the victim-oppressor mentality they are immersed in. I have no doubt if you picked a random young white person at the rallies you could predict most of their views, from climate change to feminism and their hatred of the patriarchy.
It is easy to slot Israel and Palestine into that preexisting template. Wealthy western Israel and oppressed Palestine. There is enough evidence to support this, with dead kids and bombed schools to back it up.
As you say these situations are complex, and go back a long time. They have been fighting in the Holy Land for two thousand years. It is also evident there is no easy solution and I think the two-state solution is a non-starter for either side.
As for their ease with genocide, this is not much different from all those nice people during Covid happy to fire unvaxxed workers and even put them in camps. When your "convictions" are shotgunned into your head with the purpose of joining some grievance group to serve emotional needs, rather than some quest for understanding, it is all too easy to become a concentration camp guard.
Muh oppressed minorities.. is why they are getting behind it.. this time Jews can't deflect.. they pretended they were white and now it's stuck to them and they can't shake it off
I've been waiting for your take on this, Morgoth. I wasn't disappointed. As you remarked in a previous video, living in the UK is like living in a 360 degree, 24/7 propaganda broadcast.
I feel that Sunday will be an important day, one way or the other. Don't ask me what I envisage, I just don't know. I just feel it in my bones.
I think it will be a gamechanger. We may see some explicit criticism of Islam. But I fear we will actually see legislation aimed at curbing "extremism," which of course means dissenting voices on the right. How easily people are stirred up to act against their own interests.
One is not going to be able to do anything about the goat herders, there are well over 4 million of them here. So going down there to protect a statue or the sanctity of remembrance day seems to be pissing in the wind. This situation is being escalated for zionist interests. Steer well clear, you won't get nicked or clocked, then if the shit hits the fan, one can legitimately say I don't want anything to do with either side., my people are my interest. It's not cucking, we have had our faces pissed over by worse in the past. It's pragmatism. and common sense.
The stage is set for however containment on this new current thing is intended to play out according to the extensively gathered behavioural data. You're not cynical Morgoth, just realistic.
The only thing more breathtaking than the transparency of Tommy suddenly reappearing on Twitter to lead people in to a "far right" trap for the media to make an example of - again - is that it's plainly obvious that many will go along with it. It's just so tiresome.
I don't know how we fix any of this, obviously. But what's also obvious is that this isn't the way to do it.
Let's not forget that, where dear old Douglas M. is concerned, his support of Israel is directly linked to his homosexuality and his related fear of burgeoning Muslim influence in the west. I'll bet you a pound to a pomegranate that if Israel were as expressly anti-gay as the Muslim world, Douglas would not be quite so unconditionally pro-Israel.... He'd suddenly find 'wrong on both sides...' and recommend a comfortable position on the fence. But in reality, didn't we all lose faith in Douglas during Covid? - And have that loss of faith compounded by seeing him fragrantly mincing around in a flak jacket condemning Putler at a safe distance from the front line in Ukraine? Sadly, success, has gone to his head (and other places no doubt).
I've enjoyed some of his writing and his takes in the past, and he has definitely attempted to criticize some of the cultural changes in the West, which few have attempted. So credit where it is due.
In recent interviews I have detected a more performative approach. Almost rehearsed, even a little dramatic. Absolutely one-sided too. There is no nuance at all.
Agree. But let's not forget he is also the face of acceptable rage for the UK Tory Boy and is making a comfortable living from media appearances and book sales expressing his "righteous" anger.
I think it's worth pointing out that whilst his background is not as clear as many would like he has been saying things that were unimaginable in the 00s. Until 2005 anyone being critical of Islamic immigration was considered a fringe loon, now the kind of points he raises are tacitly accepted by many.
Very fair point, happy to acknowledge Murray's vital contribution heretofore; but having rightly basked in the reflected glory of his earlier books he's now taken too long a sabbatical from the frontline issues of the day... indeed, is now to be found very much in the establishment trenches.... A great shame, albeit not wholly unpredictable: when they want to win you over they give you fame and millions of dollars - and that all too often proves impossible to refuse. ...
I’m genuinely worried about what happens this weekend. Both sides are being operated like glove puppets and neither can see it despite it being blatantly obvious to anyone with half a brain.
Meanwhile those of us who have half a brain have to sit back and watch what should be an important day being turned into an insulting farce, and trying to do anything about that just means taking part in the puppet show. What a time to be alive!
Expect also to see "swastikas" being zoomed in on being held by brown 🟤 mi6 deep state actors to bouy the crowd along. it's the lefts turn to be notzees now.. but what we know is immigration will only increase not cease, that they are itching to install overt martial law (see Tobias Elwoods latest mutterings) and then they can end all protests .. also we have the 2 or 3 million strong deployment of fighting age middle East and North Africans as a make shift "peace keeping force " ready to go in the event they need to "shut it down " again..
Propaganda works, sadly. The only good defense against it is to develop critical thinking skills. But that is not easy, and not desired by the State, so it is rarely taught.
I note your comment on "Israel’s highly questionable ‘‘war’’ in Gaza". I wonder if you might expound on that? I am no friend to Hamas, to put it very mildly, so I found it troubling. But up to you, of course.
You mean that genocide Israel are conducting bombing hospitals and schools?
Are you trolling or do you really mean 'genocide'? Words matter.
what else would you call it?
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